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Agent Mulder: I assume you havn't tried then?

I'm not sure what your definition of it "working" is either, but if it means "movement of pointer of ouija board to spell out words and stories (or movement of pen on paper for the same) without moving the pointer (or pen) on purpose to spell out what you want" I can't only disagree, but tell you that you're really wrong

Now the source of this movement certainly can be discussed, and also vary, but from personal experience I can tell you that not only does it "work" but it also can give you information there is no way in the deepest darks of heck you could have known about, things that can be checked and verified.

As an example I once got in touch with a person, whom I asked the name of, and I got back what I thought was "gibberish". I communicated for a while and turned out I was talking to someone who claimed to have lived many years ago and he also named the place - which also seemed like "gibberish" to me and meant nothing. I actually thought it was just nonsense first myself as well. Then I got the idea to google those gibberish words I had gotten just for fun. Not only did it exist, but it turned out that the name of the person was a real name, it turned out to be a person that had gone missing, and it turned out that the location of the place the person said he had died existed as well, and it was the name of a lake somewhere in somewhere in a specific country.

And I've had several cases like that where I was able to check up and verify things I was told by these "people" some dating thousands of years back. Some of them have been contacted several times to get further information, and I am still working on getting more information on them as it's some pretty extraordinary stories with details coming forth that I know nothing about until I research it and find out that indeed its facts.

How such information can be received, well I'll leave that speculation up for you.

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Agent Mulder: I assume you havn't tried then?

lmao. no i have. thats the only reason im saying its they dont. im not one to sit around, Never play a sport, but Claim that sport sucks and is easy to play. im not an ignorant a$$hole.

I'm not sure what your definition of it "working" is either, but if it means "movement of pointer of ouija board to spell out words and stories (or movement of pen on paper for the same) without moving the pointer (or pen) on purpose to spell out what you want" I can't only disagree, but tell you that you're really wrong

:rolleyes: fine youve got me on that one. i Know the piece moves. mainly due ti the users. quick and subtle muscle twitches we dont realize were doing, and people just subconsciously moving it to what they Think it would say.

Now the source of this movement certainly can be discussed, and also vary, but from personal experience I can tell you that not only does it "work" but it also can give you information there is no way in the deepest darks of heck you could have known about, things that can be checked and verified.

it tells you what you Want it too. why? because youre the one doing it. why doesnt a spirit just take control of ou whenever it wants and use a pen and paper to communiate? why not start typing a message to you on the pc? because they dont, because this doesnt work. what kind of spirit needs you there to do that for them? when they can apparently control the movements Already, by Themselves. why do you think the bottom of the ouija device that you put your hands on usually has felt at the bottom? its so you can move it. i doubt a spirit or ghost would really need something that. it doesnt make sense.

As an example I once got in touch with a person, whom I asked the name of, and I got back what I thought was "gibberish". I communicated for a while and turned out I was talking to someone who claimed to have lived many years ago and he also named the place - which also seemed like "gibberish" to me and meant nothing. I actually thought it was just nonsense first myself as well. Then I got the idea to google those gibberish words I had gotten just for fun. Not only did it exist, but it turned out that the name of the person was a real name, it turned out to be a person that had gone missing, and it turned out that the location of the place the person said he had died existed as well, and it was the name of a lake somewhere in somewhere in a specific country.

forgive me if i dont believe a story i read on a discussion forum.

And I've had several cases like that where I was able to check up and verify things I was told by these "people" some dating thousands of years back. Some of them have been contacted several times to get further information, and I am still working on getting more information on them as it's some pretty extraordinary stories with details coming forth that I know nothing about until I research it and find out that indeed its facts.

the point isnt whether or not they come out as facts, what its really about is: "does this ouija board work, if i blindfold myself, and then let my friend put the ouija board in any position in front of me, and then ask it questions"

what should happen here? a Real ouija board...jibberish.

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Agent Mulder:

Like I said, once you get information you can't know about and get it verified, there's little doubt left on it "working" or not.

And yes, people subconsciously moving the pointer can be ONE of several different causes.

Also to answer, or rather comment on your "ghosts do not need that" when it comes to the felt thing etc, the whole point with the ouija board is to have it as smooth and easy to move as possible, due to the fact you are letting the entities communicate THROUGH you using YOUR body, in this case your hands, and this is not an easy thing for a spirit to do but through the help of your physical body and your mind which serves as the connection, it is easier. Thinking that the entity is actually moving the pointer is absurd, then it would be no need putting your fingers on it in the first place, and the entity would need really great telekinetic powers which is not very common.

Also I have to take of my hat for you, it seems you have never heard of automatic writing or even automatic typing. Whole books have been channeled through both means, in addition to Ouija boards. It's the same principle there, you let the spirit control your hand through the connection you make with it by your mind.

Sure you could argue the same thing about these things but apparently you've not looked very much into the subject of channeling etc since you seem to be unaware of this and claiming that it is not being done.

And yes it does work with blindfolding as well, as IronGhost has pointed out in several of his posts. Of course you need some observer to take notes in such cases.

Out of curiosity how many times did you actually try Ouija boards? And with how many different people? I suggest you try some more at least before deciding it is not "working" =)

My point is not to try convince you that it is "real", I'm just letting you know my personal experiences and I have no reason to lie about it as I'm not selling ouija boards or anything related to it :)

Rosewin: Sorry but I dont feel it would be right of me to just give out that information without permission to do so. And even if I did give it out it would not prove anything, I could easily have just found some random missing person on the net and given you the name and location of that person so it's rather irrelevant. And yes, for all you know that could be what I did, or maybe I just made the whole story up - only I know that for real =)

But suffice to say, I got better things to do than sitting on online forums and making up silly stories.

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Conclusion - The above is how I see it from my personal experience with the matter and if you believe in it or not is totally up to anyone. For me it has proven to be a real in either case.

Best luck to anyone who want to try ouija boards and similar things.

-EA

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Agent Mulder:

Like I said, once you get information you can't know about and get it verified, there's little doubt left on it "working" or not.

And yes, people subconsciously moving the pointer can be ONE of several different causes.

true dat

Also to answer, or rather comment on your "ghosts do not need that" when it comes to the felt thing etc, the whole point with the ouija board is to have it as smooth and easy to move as possible, due to the fact you are letting the entities communicate THROUGH you using YOUR body, in this case your hands, and this is not an easy thing for a spirit to do but through the help of your physical body and your mind which serves as the connection, it is easier. Thinking that the entity is actually moving the pointer is absurd, then it would be no need putting your fingers on it in the first place, and the entity would need really great telekinetic powers which is not very common.

too much of it is convenient, when it comes to 'talking' to the spirits and how its done.

and why wouldnt spirits just do this normally? why not just hop down, and make someone write note? because they cant pretty much. its only when you use a device that allows you to subconsciously move it yourself.

im not talking poltergiests, but when you 'summon' them yourself. i havent read any accounts of someone saying a spirit just started typing on my pc through me (and still, how can one possibly know this is Spirit, and not the person themselves doing it?)

Also I have to take of my hat for you, it seems you have never heard of automatic writing or even automatic typing. Whole books have been channeled through both means, in addition to Ouija boards. It's the same principle there, you let the spirit control your hand through the connection you make with it by your mind.

thats interesting, id like to read more on the books. although it seems when people do it blindfolded on the board, it comes out as jibberish.

Sure you could argue the same thing about these things but apparently you've not looked very much into the subject of channeling etc since you seem to be unaware of this and claiming that it is not being done.

i was claiming that because while searching i found Nothing on the subject. although ill look into now. Still, its not like anyone can tell the Spirit is actually writing this, if its a single person. with a group of 5, blindfolded, holding a single pen? or all of them on the keyboard at the same time. id be interested as to how that comes out. espeically if its a spirit from the 1500s, and we ask them to use the pc. maybe someone did it already.

And yes it does work with blindfolding as well, as IronGhost has pointed out in several of his posts. Of course you need some observer to take notes in such cases.

ive just seen jibberish so far. and im not sure im willing to take them Seriously, because they told me it works on a discussion board. doesnt lend much credence to what they claimed happened.

Out of curiosity how many times did you actually try Ouija boards? And with how many different people? I suggest you try some more at least before deciding it is not "working" =)

no, i tried a few times with my buddy because we heard others talk about it obviously. nothing happened for us, which made me think this Really doesnt work. because were doing all the work here, and moving this object thats Supposed to be able to move easily through our unnoticable muscles movements. and our Own biased opinions.

My point is not to try convince you that it is "real", I'm just letting you know my personal experiences and I have no reason to lie about it as I'm not selling ouija boards or anything related to it :)

as a mod on here, id hope not :tu:

Conclusion - The above is how I see it from my personal experience with the matter and if you believe in it or not is totally up to anyone. For me it has proven to be a real in either case.

ever ask them anything of Real value? like is there a god? whats heaven like? can you see my grandma, if so whats their name? is there a hell as well? and any personal questions should be asked by people who would have NO idea, not the individual asking about grandma, when they know her name.

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I have used spirit boards, both commercially produced and personally created, with 2-4 people present, with one, some or all of those people touching the traveler during a session, and our group did about a week's worth of experiments blindfolded and rotating the board etc.

I can from personal experience report that on average, I estimate that during a "normal session", we had about a 70% activity rate (about 30% of the time, the traveler just sat there), but that is lowered probably 10-20% (hard to say) if you eliminate total nonsense, stuttering and anchoring (where it goes back and forth between the same few letters), so say we had a 50% *significant response* rate.

Blindfolding the users and rotating the board lowered this slightly, probably to about 30%, but we still usually got not only activity, but coherent activity, as we always had a "scribe" taking note of the letters selected, and we did get relevant and correctly spelled answers, though they were usually shorter than when no one was blindfolded.

I personally found that I had the best results from homemade Ouija boards, made on a tablet of art/charcoal paper and covered with a square pane of glass with a CD for a traveler, or even a board drawn on the back of a big piece of cardboard using a pog slammer as the traveler. I was however, the weakest member of the group, when it came to board responses, and the board usually only worked for me if my partner for the session was one of the more forceful and outgoing (and usually believing) personalities.

I've also done quite a few pages of loose-association automatic writing and gotten works claiming to be from spirits. To top all this off, I personally don't at present believe in spirits or spirit communication, and agree that the results of automatistic devices are the result of ideomotor effect, with the outside chance of minor psychic functioning for those times when an accurate result is acquired which can not be satisfactorily accounted for.

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ever ask them anything of Real value? like is there a god? whats heaven like? can you see my grandma, if so whats their name? is there a hell as well? and any personal questions should be asked by people who would have NO idea, not the individual asking about grandma, when they know her name.

I don't need to ask them about that as I already know the answer ;) Been traveling around some myself and yes there's a heaven and there's a hell and many things in between. I don't know if I could see your grandma as I've never tried and I doubt I will, there's more interesting things for me to do than contacting other peoples grandmas lol. Havn't even used the ouija board in almost a year now as I mostly do things through other means.

too much of it is convenient, when it comes to 'talking' to the spirits and how its done.

and why wouldnt spirits just do this normally? why not just hop down, and make someone write note? because they cant pretty much. its only when you use a device that allows you to subconsciously move it yourself.

im not talking poltergiests, but when you 'summon' them yourself. i havent read any accounts of someone saying a spirit just started typing on my pc through me (and still, how can one possibly know this is Spirit, and not the person themselves doing it?)

I guess you still don't understand this part. I will try to explain it again but in a different way: The spirits do not have some amazing supernatural powers that make them able to just possess random people as they wishes, would be total chaos and we'd all be insane then - the universe and all its realms works in a system, even though parts of it may seem chaotic at points when observing from a personal viewpoint. You have to let the spirit access to your mind for it to be able to do anything through you (with a few exceptions). So yes you are right with the part about them not being able to just "hop down and make someone write note" as you state, as they need a open channel to get through, to put it like that. Some people keep their doors locked and just opens up for people they know, other people keep the doors unlocked and may get unwanted visitors, and then you have some that has lost their key and either can't open the door or lock it at all =)

Also my experiences with the spirit world go way beyond mere ouija board experiences so for me the confirmation on this being real is not based on ouija boards and related alone but couple decades of involvement, experiences and experiments with a huge area of occult arts.

And to answer your last question in the quote above, "how can you know it is a spirit and not the person themselves?" - once you've gotten the right experience, done your experiments, seen the evidence and verifications from your own involvement with it, and understand your true being and how things work, you'll know. Unfortunately not all people ever get the right experiences or evidence or they are just too lazy to try long enough or properly.

And yes, when reading about other peoples experiences with spirits or hearing claims about what spirits have told them, in the end it is of little value, only personal experience with such things will be really worth anything. Even though I know these things are real do not mean I automatically believe everyone else's experiences with such as there will always be people that makes things up, or have just been in contact with their subconscious mind, and some people are simply mentally ill - among other things.

A suggestion for you and your ouija thing, perhaps you should try some more with other people involved than just one buddy - some people are better "channelers" than others, as Jpatt mention in his post (Even though he do not think it's got anything to do with spirits but rather with psychic phenomenas - which I actually agree can be the cause of some of such experiences).

Again that's my view from my experiences and I wish you best of luck with your own :)

-EA

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I would just like to say that, after reading a few of your threads, and your column, IronGhost, I've joined. Why did I join?

Because I REALLY want to know what MOMMY has to say about cats.

Really.

(And some of this has been the most interesting stuff I've read in awhile.)

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? :huh:

Awhile back in this thread, he said something to the effect that MOMMY has quite a fixation with cats, and, as such, is a wealth of information on them (in ways we didn't really think possible, I guess).

It was more of a comedy response? I joined because I started reading his transcripts and then I wanted more.

Plus I really do want to know if there's a possibility that my doofus cat is part of some highly regarded order somewhere else in the vast ocean of the universe. Is that so wrong? :P

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Awhile back in this thread, he said something to the effect that MOMMY has quite a fixation with cats, and, as such, is a wealth of information on them (in ways we didn't really think possible, I guess).

It was more of a comedy response? I joined because I started reading his transcripts and then I wanted more.

Plus I really do want to know if there's a possibility that my doofus cat is part of some highly regarded order somewhere else in the vast ocean of the universe. Is that so wrong? :P

I think alot of folks havent read the entire thread. I for one, love IronMan's writings, he is an amazing writer and man. MOMMY IN THE NOTHING CHAMBER is one character I will never forget..JN

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Hi everybody:

I've been brutally busy lately -- extensive traveling, working, blah, blah, blah -- and sadly unable to keep up to date here with this thread, and other UM stuff.

I will double and triple my efforts to come back here and contribute more -- I still want to, at the very least, post the final installment of the Guardian Angel bit --

Thanks everyone for reading, and for comments nice or critical -- it's all good!

A super happy shout-out to my old friend JustNormal, and many positive thoughts to Keltron -- welcome to UM!

Iron

P.S. If anyone goes to the news stand or a bookstore and finds FATE Magazine, I have an article in it this month. It's FATE's 700th, 60th Anniversary issue.

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Hi everybody:

I've been brutally busy lately -- extensive traveling, working, blah, blah, blah -- and sadly unable to keep up to date here with this thread, and other UM stuff.

I will double and triple my efforts to come back here and contribute more -- I still want to, at the very least, post the final installment of the Guardian Angel bit --

Thanks everyone for reading, and for comments nice or critical -- it's all good!

A super happy shout-out to my old friend JustNormal, and many positive thoughts to Keltron -- welcome to UM!

Iron

P.S. If anyone goes to the news stand or a bookstore and finds FATE Magazine, I have an article in it this month. It's FATE's 700th, 60th Anniversary issue.

((Ken)) SO nice to see you friend. I will check that magazine out asap. Cant wait to read more of you..JN :tu:

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Hi everybody:

I've been brutally busy lately -- extensive traveling, working, blah, blah, blah -- and sadly unable to keep up to date here with this thread, and other UM stuff.

I will double and triple my efforts to come back here and contribute more -- I still want to, at the very least, post the final installment of the Guardian Angel bit --

Thanks everyone for reading, and for comments nice or critical -- it's all good!

A super happy shout-out to my old friend JustNormal, and many positive thoughts to Keltron -- welcome to UM!

Iron

P.S. If anyone goes to the news stand or a bookstore and finds FATE Magazine, I have an article in it this month. It's FATE's 700th, 60th Anniversary issue.

Glad to hear from you again, woot woot! LOL Welcome back, got any new stories for us? I sure havn't much new stories yet, damn taps team hasn't gotten back to me quiet yet....

....but anyways....

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Hi everybody:

I've been brutally busy lately -- extensive traveling, working, blah, blah, blah -- and sadly unable to keep up to date here with this thread, and other UM stuff.

I will double and triple my efforts to come back here and contribute more -- I still want to, at the very least, post the final installment of the Guardian Angel bit --

Thanks everyone for reading, and for comments nice or critical -- it's all good!

A super happy shout-out to my old friend JustNormal, and many positive thoughts to Keltron -- welcome to UM!

Iron

P.S. If anyone goes to the news stand or a bookstore and finds FATE Magazine, I have an article in it this month. It's FATE's 700th, 60th Anniversary issue.

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Im not so sure it the Ouiji board but maybe the people 'playing' :yes: I think it may just be an average board and its the people using it that seems to bring forth these spirits. With some people it works and others it does not.. same as some have psychic ability and others dont, some dont even realize they have psychic abilities. Maybe some just have more open minds than others which will also influence your sit down with the ouiji board..

Its such a mystery, there is still so much for us to learn :D

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I don't use this kind of stuff. I don't want a ghost in my house. :lol:

chances are its not gonna bring one over to you anyways.

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Sorry if I just repeat what others have said, but I believe oui-ja is a loss of time for people who want to get answers of any kind. Most of the time, it's autosuggestion and wishful thinking. Sometimes, it's just dangerous.

I didn't practise a lot myself, but my cousins have been doing that for years, and they got eerie results – like, as they told me, one of the summoned beings starting to 'drink' water from the sink (they were playing oui-ja in the bathroom, in order to hide from their parents). Finally, my cousins – who are Muslim – stopped messing with that. Muslims eventually believe you can't call human souls by using spiritualism. You contact jinn or genies instead, which are creatures made of fire, second to angels (which are made of light) in God's creation. But while angels are good, jinn are almost exclusively evil or, at best, tricky. For instance, they believe Eblis – Satan – is actually a jinn. In Muslim traditional beliefs, all people on earth have their jinn counterpart. So when one tries to contact someone, one summons his jinn instead. I like the interpretation, for it would explain why the 'oui-ja people' always seem to have fun with us, telling nonsense or building crazy Lovecraftian theories about plans of existence etc.

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Hi All:

It's been a cold, rainy, dark, windy day here in northern Minnesota, so some friends asked if they could come over and have me do an Ouija session -- so I agreed -- I have't done a session in about six months.

There were eight people present. there was a friendly, festive atmosphere in the room. I served eveyyone my homemade smoked northern pike, cheese and some wine, and then we got down to biz.

I was using my "A Team" meaning it was Brian and I handling the Ouija board and the lovely Darcy acting as session recorder. We had no specific axe to grind, so we just decided to do a totally open-ended session and started out with a general request to speak with anyone or "thing" that would speak with us.

So here is the transcript, hot off the press -- I'll just present this material as it came out -- we all have a bunch of theories as to the meaning of this session, and I want to offer what I think was going on here in this situation, but I am extremely exhausted -- so I'll just let you all read and maybe I'll comment more on this later.

As always, our questions are small case and the answers from the Ouija are in ALL CAPS!

Session Opening: We cast out our minds into the vast Universe of Thought and Information and seek contact with any intelligent entity that is will and able to communicate with us. Who will come forth?

(Note: The oracle begin to move immediately at a rapid rate.)

ANSWER: I AM HERE BUT I AM UNSEEN. BUT I AM ALSO SEEN.

Question: What do you mean by “unseen“?

ANSWER: I AM NO LONGER SEEN BY MY KIND BUT I AM NOT SURE. SOMETIMES MY KIND ARE HERE, BUT NOT ALWAYS, BUT THEY CAN STILL SEE ME, ALTHOUGH MANY TIMES I AM UNSEEN.

Question: Who are you?

ANSWER: YOUR QUESTION SEEMS STRANGE.

Question: Why? Don’t you know who you are?

ANSWER: I HAVE CONFUSION. I ALSO HAVE MORE UNDERSTANDING THAN BEFORE.

Question: Before what?

ANSWER: BEFORE I BECAME UNSEEN AND SEEN.

Question: Maybe when you say “unseen” you mean that you are dead. Do you know I mean?

ANSWER: I THINK I BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND.

Question: Do you know what a human being is?

ANSWER: IS THAT A GLOE BEAST?

Question: We do not know what a gloe beast is. We are humans. We also use the term people, or a person, or a living body, or homo sapiens. We have a classification for all kinds of creatures, and we call ourselves primates. Does this help you understand?

ANSWER: OH YES, YES. I AM OF A KIND. IT FEELS SO GOOD TO THINK THAT.

Question: Why? Are you dead now, or a ghost, or something like that? Is that what you mean by being “unseen”?

ASNWER: I. (PAUSE) DEAD . (PAUSE) I AM SOMEPLACE. I AM UNSEEN, BUT SOMETIMES I AM NOT UNSEEN. I AM SEEN.

Question: Where are you?

ANSWER: I DON’T KNOW. I AM IN MANY PLACES. IT IS STRANGE.

Question: Well, would you say you are on the planet earth, in a country, in some land, or some kingdom, or something like that?

ANSWER: YES, I AM SOMEWHERE. IN SOME LAND.

Question: Do you understand the concept of time?

ANSWER: TIME. (pause). NO.

Question: Describe the kind of clothing you are wearing? That which you cover your body with, you know, to protect your person from the cold, for example.

ANSWER: IT IS SO STRANGE TO THINK OF THAT AGAIN. BUT NOW I UNDERSTAND YOU. CAN YOU SEE ME?

Question: No. We cannot see you. Would you look at yourself and tell us what you are wearing. Can you? Do you cover your body with something to protect from the cold, for example, or other environemntal elements?

ANSWER: I ….ARE YOU OF MY KIND?

Question: We are not entirely sure what you mean by “KIND” however, we may be of your kind. But to continue, we were hoping that if you could describe your clothes, it might give us a clue as to what time period you are from. So don’t think about it too much. Just look at yourself and tell us what clothes you are wearing.

ANSWER: THE HIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN OTHER IS MY SKIN.

Question: You are wearing the skin of some kind of animal? Perhaps it isyour way to hunt such beasts, or maybe you call them "others," and use them for food and clothing then. Is that the case?

ANSWER: YES. NOW. THAT IS YES.

Question: When you take the skin away from the mountain beast/other does the mountain beast then become unseen? Because that is what we call dead.

ANSWER: IT WOULD BE FOOLISH TO THINK OF A MOUNTAIN OTHER AS UNSEEN. THEY CANNOT SEE.

Questions: Okay, well …. so there are mountains where you live. Do you live in the mountains?

ANSWER: I AM GRATEFUL TO YOU. YES. I KNOW THAT. NOW I REMEMBER MY LAND, AND I KNOW MOUNTAINS.

Question: We have a system here we call time. We consider it to be the year 2009. This means that there have been 2009 years since a certain god, or some people considered a certain god-like person was on the earth. A year is the time it takes our planet to make one circle around the sun in the sky. Do you know what we mean? So our planet has circled 2009 times since this certain god went away. Does this make sense to you?

ANSWER: NO.

Question: Do you know what a god is?

ANSWER: NO.

Questions: In your land, and among your people, did you look to other things, or people, or beasts or the sky and consider them to have more powers than you yourself did? I mean, were there other people, beasts or maybe spirits that you could not see that you looked to for help and guidance?

ANSWER: NO. YOU ARE STRANGE, YET FAMILIAR.

Question: Do you have a name? Or what were your people called, the ones who lives in the land where you are now near the mountains?

ANSWER: WE ARE OF A KIND. WE WERE NOT THE OTHERS. THERE WERE MANY OTHERS.

Question: Do you have a name? Do you know what we mean?

ANSWER: NO. IT IS STRANGE. NO. BUT SOME OF THIS SEEMS KNOWN.

Question: So we are thinking that by “unseen” that you mean what we call the state of being dead. When people here become “dead” they are no longer seen among us. So assuming that you are dead, or unseen, why do you not seem sure about it?

ANSWER: IT IS DIFFERENT FOR ME NOW. I DO NOT HAVE TO BE WITH MY KIND. BUT IT IS YOUR DEAD NOT TO BE WITH MY KIND. YET I AM NOT WITH MY KIND, BUT I HAVE NOT GONE AWAY. I AM STILL HERE.

Question: Can you tell us what happened that made you start feeling strange, and when you were separated from your kind, and then cause you to be dead, or to become unseen?

ANSWER: YES. (There was a long pause, so we finally decided to prod the entity).

Question: Can you tell us the circumstances of being separated from your Kind?

ANSWER: YES. I KILLED A LARGE TROPPER AND DRANK A LARGE PORTION OF ITS BLOOD.

Question: What is a tropper?

ANSWER: A LARGE OTHER.

Question: Is it normal for you to drink the blood of the tropper other?

ANSWER: NO, THIS IS NOT THE WAY OF MY KIND.

Question: Well, then why did you drink the blood of the tropper other?

ANSWER: I WANTED TO BE UNSEEN AND SEEN AMONG MY KIND.

Question: Do you mean like being invisible or dead like a ghost? Do you know what we mean?

ANSWER: I WANTED TO GO UNSEEN AMONG MY KIND. AND STILL BE SEEN.

Question: Well, is the drinking of the tropper blood some kind of magic spell, or something like that, which would help you to become unseen among the kind.

ANSWER: I DRANK THE BLOOD, AND THEN WHEN THE OTHERS OF MY KIND SAW THE BLOOD COME FORTH FROM MY MOUTH, I THOUGHT i WOULD BECOME UNSEEN.

Question: Wait a minute. This sounds to us like you were trying to fake your death. Let us offer a theory. You killed a tropper beast, or other, and drank a large portion of its blood. Then you put yourself in some situation wherein it made it seem that a large amount of blood came out of your own body. In other words, you vomited up a large amount of blood, and in that way, you sought to make the others of your kind think that you had suffered some kind of massive accident or had gotten very sick, and in that way, you could join the unseen or dead. Is this the case?

(Note: There was a long pause. We rested out backs, and then we returned our fingers to the oracle.)

Question: Tell us about how you caused the blood of the tropper other to come out of your mouth in such a way as to make the others of your kind think that you had become dead or unseen?

ANSWER: NO. AFTER TAKING MYSELF ON BLOOD, I WENT AMONG OTHERS WITHOUT MY KIND.

Question: We do not understand. Can you explain?

ANSWER: I WENT ALONE AMONG THE OTHERS. THE OTHERS ARE NOT OF OUR KIND, NOT OF THE TROPPER KIND, BUT OF OTHERS. BUT I REMAIN IN THE LAND OF MY KIND. WE ARE HERE AND THEY ARE HERE, BUT NOT IN OUR HERE.

Question: So the “Others” are different beasts of some kind, maybe like the gloe beasts?

ANSWER: SO YOU KNOW THE GLOE BEAST?

Question: No!! It was you who mentioned the Gloe beast to us! We do not know what a gloe beast is! Are you confused?

ANSWER: YES. EVEYTHING IS STRANGE. THERE ARE MANY NEW THINGS. SOMETIMES I KNOW THINGS FROM OTHERS, WHICH IS STRANGE.

Question: Okay, well, let’s get back to this instant when right after you gorged yourself on the blood of the tropper beast and then went among the others -- we assume this was some herd of beasts, some other beasts -- and then these beasts appeared to cause damage to you and you vomited up all the blood, and in a way that would make the other of your kind think that you were to become unseen, or dead. Is this the case?

ANSWER: YES.

Question: Did your deception work? Did the people of your Kind think that you had become unseen?

ANSWER: NO.

Question: So they knew you were just faking to vomit blood. How did they know? Did you try to act dead, or maybe you did a bad job of acting like you were dead. Do you understand what we are asking?

ANSWER: MY KIND KNEW THE BLOOD WAS OF THE TROPPER BEAST BECAUSE OF THE OTHER WITHIN THE OTHER.

Question: What do you mean by that? What was the “other within the other”?

ANSWER: AN OTHER IN THE TROPPER BLOOD. WHEN THEY SAW THE OTHER IN THE TROPPER BLOOD, THEY KNEW IT WAS TROPPER BLOOD AND NOT BLOOD OF MY KIND.

Question: What do you mean -- like there was some kind of worm or parasite within the blood you disgorged that had come from the tropper beast, and not your own physical organism?

ANSWER: YES.

Question: What kind of organism was in the tropper blood you had ingested?

ANSWER: IT IS AN OTHER. AN OTHER LIKE THAT ONE. IT MAKES THE EARTH MOVE UNDER IT, OR IT MAKES THE TREE LIFT IT UP.

(Note: After some discussion among the group, we were pretty sure and mostly agreed that the entity was talking about a snake. We made the assumption that there was a large parasitic worm squirming among the tropper blood the entity had vomited up -- and we made the assumption that the people of his kind saw this parasite in the blood he had vomited up, and therefore, knew that it could not have been the blood of his kind. So they must have been sophisticated enough to figure out what was going on here -- that this "guy" was trying to fake his death by making everyone think he had vomited a huge amount of blood.)

Question: So what happened then? Did the others fail to consider you unseen?

ANSWER: I DON’T KNOW. THOSE OF MY KIND TOOK ME INTO THE KIND.

Question: What do you mean when you say they “took you into the Kind?”

ANSWER: IT IS THE PLACE OF THE KIND.

Question: So they took you someplace, like a living space, or a cave or a gathering place of your kind?

ANSWER: YES.

Question: Did you know that you had failed to become unseen, and did they know, and did you know that they knew? Do you understand?

ANSWER: NO. I WAS AMONG THE KIND, AND THEN EVERYTHING BECAME STRANGE. NOW I THINK I MAY BE UNSEEN, BUT AT OTHER TIMES, I AM SEEN WITH THE KIND, AND OTHER TIMES, I AM WITH OTHERS.

Question: How is it, do you think, that you are speaking with us right now? Do you know what I mean?

ANSWER: THIS IS THE WAY FOR ME. THERE ARE OTHERS. YOU DON’T SEEM LIKE OTHERS, BUT YOU ARE NOT MY KIND. IT IS STRANGE.

Question: Why did you go through so much trouble to become unseen? Were you in some kind of trouble that caused you to want to fake your death -- that is -- to make others think of you as unseen? What brought on this clever plot of yours?

ANSWER: I HAD BECOME DIFFERENT. I WAS OF THE KIND, BUT I WANTED TO BECOME UNSEEN AND SEEN. I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND.

Question: To understand what, exactly?

ANSWER: TO UNDERSTAND BEING AMONG MY KIND WHILE NOT BEING AMONG MY KIND. I WANTED TO BECOME UNSEEN WITHOUT BEING UNSEEN.

Question: You know, I think we understand. Well, is there anything we can do for you? Can we help you in any way?

ANSWER: YOUR QUESTION IS STRANGE.

Question: Well, we find ourselves exhausted. Perhaps we will contact you again, and perhaps try to learn more about your remarkable situation. Will you communicate with us again in the future?

ANSWER: YES.

Question: Thank you then, and good bye. We wish you well.

ANSWER: GOOD BYE.

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IronGhost, that is some strange discussion, I'm sure everyone was tired lol

Thanks for posting it!

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