Essan Posted July 2, 2007 #26 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I'm english and don't really have anything against the welsh,scottish or irish but why can't we just become different entities. Because we're not separate entities. We're all the same ethnic group with the same 12,000 year heritage. We've been living here since the end of the ice age. Albu gu brath! (I blame all this modern petty infighting on the bl**dy Romans, dividing the land and renaming it ....... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Hill Posted July 2, 2007 #27 Share Posted July 2, 2007 (edited) It's all very boring... nationalism and independence. Get your independence but then lose it within the larger souless unity of EU, once you're forced to join. And If you don't join the EU then your country will be too small to have any influence on the EU. At the moment the UK can take on the EU (if we have a strong PM) because the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU. Edited July 2, 2007 by billyhill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ships-cat Posted July 2, 2007 #28 Share Posted July 2, 2007 ........Scotland is simply not viable om its own, it needs to be part of the larger Union Not necessarily. I think Scotland could 'go it alone', but they might have to make sacrifices in government social spending and their quality of life. While it is conceivable that the EU could prevent an independent Scotland joining the EU, realistically, would they prevent a country with the greatest oil reserves in the area from joining? Sorry. North Sea Oil and Gas is very much on the decline. To say "the greatest reserves in the area" is misleading, as it suggests that those reserves are large. The UK is now a net importer of Gas. I think not. The EU has embraced nations which would have been inconceivable 20 years ago, such as Poland, so why would Scotland suddenly become a pariah state? I agree. I would expect the EU to welcome Scotland with open arms. And say goodby to your short-lived independance. .... Scotland has a population comparable with and better than some established and thriving states. A few, but not many ! It might well be able to operate an independant economy however. (Unless it joins the EU, in which case it's economy will boom, but it will no longer be independant) Our economy is very strong based on solid financial institutions. Which can jump ship at a moments notice. What employment (or other wealth) does it generate for Scotland ? Where is the Royal Bank of Scotlands call centre ? What - other than a name - ties it to Scoltand in the future ? Financial institutions can be VERYfluid. We have excellent natural resources, power generation with a strong renewable energy focus which grows on a daily basis. True that ! Well done. Our food production is sufficient for the nation (excluding exotic foodstuffs such as tropical fruits etc) Ahhh..... no, I don't think so. The majority of "arable" land in Scotland is medium-grade, and used for grazing. (Sheep and Cattle). You also grow potatoes and 'farm' salmon. I really don't think that Scotland is agriculturaly independant to the point where it can support it's population - not by a LONG shot. Of course, this does not preclude independance: few western countries are fully agriculturaly self-sufficient. I think it would be better for the UK to stay whole. However, if the Scots want to seperate, then good luck to them. I think they will regret it bitterly within a generation; but then, that won't be the fault of the English. Finaly, the Scots will have nobody to blame but themselves.... just as it was before the act of union. Meow Purr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted July 2, 2007 #29 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I think you'll find a large percentage of English people don't want to be part of the union either, and if the west Lothian question isn't answered soon the English will breakaway from the union before the scots, it will also give us a chance to get rid of this Scottish government. Yes it would be nice to see the Scots being self sufficient, but unfortunately even after independance they will still need the English tax payer to support them. Apparently if we didn't have to prop up the scottish & welsh economy we would be paying 16 pence in the pound as opposed to 22 pence. I'm all for Scotland being truely independant, perhaps then i'll be able to save some money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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