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The other thing to remember, especially about Sweden. They don't really have a military. They are not members of NATO, and if it weren't for the US and the UK, they could have been occupied by the Nazi (even though they were strictly neutral) or would have been overrun by the Soviets.

It seems very convenient for some to forget the freedom enjoyed by the EU, was in large part paid by US tax payers.

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What a cheap post. Also a cheap shot. My family is having a terrible time trying to figure out why everyone hates them (Americans), so much, especially the children in my family.

I think if you other countries think America is beaten and can be intimidated you'd better think again.

You sound like a bunch of cry babies, "wahh wahhh my country did more than yours did"...pathetic.

I grew up loving the world, all the people and wanting to travel and see these places which I mostly did.

Thank God I rarely ran into the types that represent their countries here at UM. Now I am beginning to despise the rest of the world.

You're all so gullible and wishing to read negative comments about my country that you grasp at straws, believe bogus polls and propaganda, and are filled with hate which will destroy you.

Sometimes you even make stuff up from the wilds of your imaginations just to make Americans look bad. Why would anyone choose to believe the ramblings of such idiots as Chavez? or Castro? or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? Are you nuts?

There are now over 300 million of us here, we'll always be around. Best to try and get along with a big guy than to spit in his face and try to pick a fight. I have so little respect for the rest of the world anymore that just thinking about it makes me cringe.

You're unable to tell the good guys from the bad, or you are one of them, it's as simple as that. Next time I read any America bashing on here (which happens on a daily basis), I'm going to look into pressing legal charges against UM.

I haven't pursued this and don't even know if it's possible, given the hostility prevalent in the world against my country, but when you start effecting my children and grandchildren then you've got me to contend with and I'll never stop defending them, or my country, so get over it. Sweden? Sweden always was an appeaser, look at it's history during WWII. What did Sweden do during WWII to help rid the world of the Nazi's? What did they sacrifice?

Do you see 20,000 Swedish graves off the beaches of Omaha, or Normandy? How much aid did Sweden send to the victims of 9/11, and/or Katrina? What does Sweden even do? What have they ever done to take an active role in world affairs? Screw Sweden, and any other country who are so blinded by hatred and propaganda that they refuse to see the truth.

Damn America bashers suck.

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I completely agree with your post Thozz....except the legal part. It seems very fashionable to bash America. But it wasn't always like that, especially post WWII.

To me, it's not so much about hating America as the divide between the leftist and socialist in the world v. conservatives and hating George Bush. Case in point..........the French. Now, with their new great conservative leader.....as opposed to the bungling liberal Chiroc.........they are now friends again with the US. There is also quite a bit of jealosy and envy of the US quality of life, the technology contributions and the amount of charitable giving donated by the citizens of the US. That is why everyone wants to immigrate to the US.

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Yeah Aztec I didn't figure I could sue anyone, but that post (after putting up with America bashing every frivken day), just downright pizzed me off bro.

Actually people all over the world are pretty decent folks. It's just the ones you meet online that feel free to say whatever they want due to anonymity. Damn trolls.

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Thank God I rarely ran into the types that represent their countries here at UM. Now I am beginning to despise the rest of the world.

You're all so gullible and wishing to read negative comments about my country that you grasp at straws, believe bogus polls and propaganda, and are filled with hate which will destroy you.

Sometimes you even make stuff up from the wilds of your imaginations just to make Americans look bad. Why would anyone choose to believe the ramblings of such idiots as Chavez? or Castro? or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? Are you nuts?

There are now over 300 million of us here, we'll always be around. Best to try and get along with a big guy than to spit in his face and try to pick a fight. I have so little respect for the rest of the world anymore that just thinking about it makes me cringe.

I understand your patriotic indignation but ever thought that the rest of the world is not 100% represented by some people making comments on an internet forum?

In a similar way anti-US sentiments can be grown by the kind of comments bolded above.

If it helps, I'm British and I like the US :o

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http://www.alertnet.org/thefacts/reliefres...12739777749.htm

what this means is the US gov gave 3 dollars per person and charities gave 6$

for a total of 9 dollars per person

compared to norway which gave 38$ from the gov per person and 21 $ per person through charity for a total of 59$ per person.

this is what I mean when you break down those seemingly big numbers. America hasn't been the most giving.

it's a matter of math.

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There is also quite a bit of jealosy and envy of the US quality of life

I do not think they really know how the majority of US citizens live. I suspect that many Euros think that New York is what most live like, not knowing that New Yorkers have a much higher standard of living than the majority of the rest of the nation.

Both the New York area and California are like separate nations inside of this nation, and combined they come far short of making up the majority. The United States is not like other nations where the majorities of their populations live in one or two cities inside that nation. Even if the entire populations of New York and California were wiped out tomorrow, the majority of us would still be standing. Even if you took out every state capitol along with them, the majority of us would still be standing.

I do not think many of them really comprehend this.

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Two years old....getting closer....

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note to the neocons calling me an America basher. I love my country , but refuse to be blind to facts you so easily skim over in your mad dog fever to be rightous.

the ability to see the facts and decent is the most patriotic thing a person can do.

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http://www.alertnet.org/thefacts/reliefres...12739777749.htm

what this means is the US gov gave 3 dollars per person and charities gave 6$

for a total of 9 dollars per person

compared to norway which gave 38$ from the gov per person and 21 $ per person through charity for a total of 59$ per person.

this is what I mean when you break down those seemingly big numbers. America hasn't been the most giving.

it's a matter of math.

So? Then you give more yourself if you are too guilt ridden and broadcast it here at UM. :tu:

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I understand your patriotic indignation but ever thought that the rest of the world is not 100% represented by some people making comments on an internet forum?

In a similar way anti-US sentiments can be grown by the kind of comments bolded above.

If it helps, I'm British and I like the US :o

Yes I understand that the rest of the world's view of the planet is not represented by the majority of views expressed on an internet forum.

If my statements embolden foreign peoples to despise my country, what have I lost? They already do, and have for decades.

I don't think anything I say, or any other conservative pro-American will help.

I find it difficult to be friendly with people who wouldn't give a rats ass if myself and my children and family were wiped off the face of the earth. I'm sure I'll feel this way until I go to my grave, which is sad, because I was always an avid fan of European history and the European people.

I've spent plenty of time in the UK, (AND LOVED IT), as well as several other countries in Europe and the Orient.

I ran into America haters in each, which always puzzled me considering the feeling I had for Europe and elsewhere.

I was a very naive traveler. Not anymore.

Actually the country I visited that seemed to have the greatest number of America haters was France. The nicest and most respectful people were in Japan. See the irony here?

France, who we gave over 20,000 American lives to liberate, hate us, while Japan, who were our enemies, treat us with respect and friendship. What's wrong with this picture? What do you tell your grandchildren when they want to know why the entire planet hates their guts? All I know is that the America bashers are either spoiled rich, or not understanding, or maybe they're so lonely they buy into the whole terrorist ideology in order to have some sort of fellowship. But we Americans are just people, just like everyone else. Same hopes, fears, and dreams. (excluding radical Muslims of course). peace :)

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note to the neocons calling me an America basher. I love my country , but refuse to be blind to facts you so easily skim over in your mad dog fever to be rightous.

the ability to see the facts and decent is the most patriotic thing a person can do.

Actually the most patriotic thing anyone can do is back their country when it's attacked, and during a time of war when young Americans overseas need our help and support to complete the mission and get back home alive.

The enemy loves to hear Americans spout such anti-American rhetoric such as yours and if any of them have ever read any of your posts I'm sure it brought a smile to their faces. Wonder how many words it takes to kill an American soldier?

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note to the neocons calling me an America basher. I love my country , but refuse to be blind to facts you so easily skim over in your mad dog fever to be rightous.

the ability to see the facts and decent is the most patriotic thing a person can do.

You only love your country if you can have the Liberal culture imposed on it, other than that you do hate America.

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I love my country , but refuse to be blind to facts you so easily skim over in your mad dog fever to be rightous.

I find it difficult to be friendly with people who wouldn't give a rats ass if myself and my children and family were wiped off the face of the earth.

Ripley, it is not self righteousness that they feel. If it were that than the situation would not be becoming so grim. The majority, YES THE MAJORITY as shown by the fight against the Amnesty bill, feel abused and trodden on both by their own government and by much of the world.

Instead of SOME Euros lecturing the people of the USA just as they did post WW1 Germany, they should seriously stop and consider the sheer body count of US family members who have died in foreign lands under the belief that their sacrifice was for them as much or more than for their own nation, generations of dead.

If they are too obtuse not to recognize the significance of the rhetoric that is becoming increasingly more common each year in the USA, then they are in for a very serious shock in the future unless the world situation changes for the better significantly and specifically for the sense of security for the US people.

We are not Europeans. We do not think and react like Europeans. We are a dangerous and deadly people who fight for control over ourselves as much as any outside threat and poking us year after year with a stick is stupid beyond all human belief.

It it really starting to look like calling the USA weak and smacking it in the head is becoming a once a century tradition for this planet and it is a tradition they should drop like a hot rock from hell in their hands.

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note to the neocons calling me an America basher. I love my country , but refuse to be blind to facts you so easily skim over in your mad dog fever to be rightous.

the ability to see the facts and decent is the most patriotic thing a person can do.

I went thru the posts and didn't see anyone bashing you Rip, much less all the Neocon's. BTW, do you even know what that term means or its origin? I think many like to throw the term out there in some derogatory fashion.

I personally am a conservative.......plain and simple. And damn proud of it. That is the opposite of a liberal or a socialist or a leftist. Not a neo-liberal, neo-socialist or neo-leftist.

Maybe you might want to reevaluate your posts and the tone you set.

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Where would ABBA be without American sales???

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I went thru the posts and didn't see anyone bashing you Rip, much less all the Neocon's. BTW, do you even know what that term means or its origin? I think many like to throw the term out there in some derogatory fashion.

Some people throw it around because they think it sounds like "Neo-Nazi".

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Actually the country I visited that seemed to have the greatest number of America haters was France.

To be fair, France hates everyone, not just the US ;)

If my statements embolden foreign peoples to despise my country, what have I lost? They already do, and have for decades.

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All I know is that the America bashers are either spoiled rich, or not understanding, or maybe they're so lonely they buy into the whole terrorist ideology in order to have some sort of fellowship.

My point was more that things went both ways. I agree there's a lot of US-bashing on the internet; it's the kind of medium where that's going to happen. But there are plenty of people out there who don't hate the US who could get put off by the kind of comments that you posted (before and above).

A lot of the US-hating comes from perceived arrogance. America has a positive, patriotic attitude and that's fine, but plenty of people only meet Americans on the internet (or as tourists in their country) who come across as 'everywhere but the US sucks', 'oh isn't your country quaint'. I'm not saying that's the reason for your experiences travelling or on the internet as there are people out there who dislike the US for no good reason, but there is a lot of that too.

Just as you can be put off the rest of the world by reading US-bashing there's plenty of people out there who'll not care about the US who can be turned into US-haters by reading US posters saying how the rest of the world is nothing compared to the US and we should all be kissing America's ass for looking after us. God knows I've been p***ed off with the pro-US rhetoric at times but I feel fortunate enough to have met enough Americans both in the US and in the UK to know it's not fully representative.

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Well, I'm disgusted both with the original article that started this thread, and SOME of the commentary that subsequent posters provided.

Lets get back to basics. I'm not an American, so perhaps some of the US posters can confirm/deny wether my information is correct.

It is my understanding that the American Constitution authorises the US Government to levy taxes against its citizens in order to fulfill functions that individual Americans would find hard to do. (defence, infrastructure etc).

Could someone point out the passage in the Constitution whereby America has to bankroll the world ?

The US government CHOSE to provide aid to the regions effected by the Tsunami. From a constituational point, the US citizens where in their right to block this. AFter all, it was US taxpayers money (money taken out of the pocket of normal working US citizens) which was sent to non-US citizens.

This was an act of generosity... and for THIS, America is being criticised ?

Let me quote a passage from the story...

The Norwegian UN Undersecretary Jan Egeland, who is in charge of UN’s emergency relief coordination, stated Monday that rich countries are too stingy when it comes to emergency aid......

....USD 15 million first allocated was less than half of what the Republicans plan to spend on the Bush inaugural festivities.

So this is an opinion from a 'UN beurocrat' who has probably never EARNED any money in his life. (e.g. never provided or manufactored goods or services). Not only is he an unproductive tax-eater, but he critizises a nation for NOT GIVING ENOUGH when they never had any obligation to give anything ANYWAY, and risked the ire of their citizens by giving it in the first place.

But it gets better in the second snippet - he dares to compare it with how much the republican party spent on an election. How DARE a UN tax-eater criticize the mechanism of US internal elections ?

Perhaps the Norwegian Embassador to the UN should realise how much of his wages are provided by the USA.

Better still... the USA could use the "Yemini" solution against the UN, and see how they like THOSE apples.

Bah !

Meow Purr.

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To be fair, France hates everyone, not just the US ;)

Is that why we have the saying "you've got your gaul"?

My point was more that things went both ways. I agree there's a lot of US-bashing on the internet; it's the kind of medium where that's going to happen. But there are plenty of people out there who don't hate the US who could get put off by the kind of comments that you posted (before and above).

It is like a double edged sword. It would be like me meeting a handful of snotty arrogant Swedes on the net and then assume they were all like that. America is a very large and diverse counrty with alot of different mindsets. We have a tendancy to forget we are all representives of a world superpower. The rest of the world takes our words rather seriously because of that.

In closing, I would like to remind everyone people are people wherever you go. Good and bad and often in different proportions.

And yes, maybe a dose of Yemini medicine would do some good. :yes:

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It is somewhat misleading to compare the aid given by the U.S. and Sweden for the tsunami disaster. The tsunami hit a particular nerve in Swedish society, since ****et (haha, cencorship), Thailand is one of the most popular holiday destinations in Sweden. Over 500 swedes died, and it had an enormous unifying effect on the country. In this instance it comes as no surprise that Sweden would be very generous.

I find it difficult to be friendly with people who wouldn't give a rats ass if myself and my children and family were wiped off the face of the earth. I'm sure I'll feel this way until I go to my grave, which is sad, because I was always an avid fan of European history and the European people.

While an irrational hatred of america certainly does exist in certain small circles, I think its important to remember, that virtually no european thinks like the above citation suggests. Europeans are very critical of the U.S. foreign politics (perhaps sometimes unduly so, but usually with reason), but to go from that to "not giving a rats ass if you and your family died" is a long shot to say the least. I'm not saying these fools don't exist, but that is what they are viewed as over here as well: fools.

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Well, Dusty Digital, Stardrive and ifisurvive pretty much summed up what I was going to say. I'm not an American, yet I absolutely loved living there. I love living in Finland too. I'd probably love to live in, say, Netherlands as well. I probably will move to North America for a while again in the future, and some countries in Europe too...perhaps Australia and Asia as well, and maybe for a stay in Africa as well if the opportunity presents itself. Each of these places probably has its pros and cons. The US does. Finland sure as heck does.

The only thing I don't really agree on with America is its foreign policy. The same goes for a lot of people I know; these same people, at the same time, really like America. If some people here bash America, so what? The reason why people voice their opinions on America instead of Sweden is pretty simple: Sweden is just that insignificant. America's actions have huge consequences, which is why they are so carefully scrutinized by the rest of the world. But I do have to say, I find it extremely annoying when some (I know only very few) Finns bash America without knowing rats behind about anything in America. However, I find it just as annoying when some Americans presume America is the only country with decent standard of living and civilization, and that everyone should should kiss America's behind for helping everyone out all the time just for sheer goodness. No matter where you go, there's bound to be some rotten apples there. I encourage everyone to travel the world and see things for yourself, experience life in different cultures. Gives you a bit perspective and it's a whole lot of fun ;)

Why can't we all just get along?

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The other thing to remember, especially about Sweden. They don't really have a military. They are not members of NATO, and if it weren't for the US and the UK, they could have been occupied by the Nazi (even though they were strictly neutral) or would have been overrun by the Soviets.

It seems very convenient for some to forget the freedom enjoyed by the EU, was in large part paid by US tax payers.

First off, we do have a military of our own. Second, our spineless government allows NATO troops to train on our grounds, so we are basically friends with them. Regarding the Second World War, how exactly are you thinking, AW? It was our (more or less) neutrality during the WWII which saved us from the soviets and the Nazis.

Talk about giving undeserved credit to the US (and UK).

[...]To me, it's not so much about hating America as the divide between the leftist and socialist in the world v. conservatives and hating George Bush. Case in point..........the French. Now, with their new great conservative leader.....as opposed to the bungling liberal Chiroc.........they are now friends again with the US.

This stuff always makes me want to roll my eyes.

There is also quite a bit of jealosy and envy of the US quality of life, the technology contributions and the amount of charitable giving donated by the citizens of the US. That is why everyone wants to immigrate to the US.

Immigrants who desperately want to come to the 'land of opportunity' have some kind of romanticized image of the US. Jealousy? For what? The US that is depicted in Hollywood movies, maybe. But the more than 38 million living under the poverty line doesn't really give me the impression of a healthy nation.

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First off, we do have a military of our own.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing...since when did Sweden not have its own military? Don't know where AW got that piece of info from.

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