johan67 Posted July 5, 2007 #1 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Im so curious about this.. I recently saw a movie about Georges Ivanovich Gurdjieff "Meetings With Remarkable Men" / "The Origin of Esoteric Knowledge" what was that Gurdjieff really saw in the Pre-sand Egypt?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._I._Gurdjieff - (for those who don't know about him) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted July 5, 2007 #2 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Im so curious about this.. I recently saw a movie about Georges Ivanovich Gurdjieff "Meetings With Remarkable Men" / "The Origin of Esoteric Knowledge" what was that Gurdjieff really saw in the Pre-sand Egypt?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._I._Gurdjieff - (for those who don't know about him) You mean he was around at the time of the dinos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johan67 Posted July 5, 2007 Author #3 Share Posted July 5, 2007 You mean he was around at the time of the dinos? uhhmm it was a serious question.. however... after he saw a Pre-sand Map of Egypt from what I've understand it his hole perspective changed. Im surprise no more replys cus I really want to know what he saw & what was the ancient secret society (pre egypt) he got his learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted July 5, 2007 #4 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Sorry you've lost me. What do you mean by 'pre-sand egypt' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johan67 Posted July 5, 2007 Author #5 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Sorry you've lost me. What do you mean by 'pre-sand egypt' ? before Egypt was covered with sand many thousands years ago.. his uncle had a MAP of old ancient Egypt.. that astonished Gurdjieff.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louie Posted July 5, 2007 #6 Share Posted July 5, 2007 So what was there before the sand. i always thought that deserts were ancient sea beds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted July 5, 2007 #7 Share Posted July 5, 2007 No, Egypt wasn't always desert. Several thousand years ago (at the close of the last Ice Age), most of North Africa was a more verdant place. I don't think there's a shred of evidence to suggest there was an advanced, map-making civilisation at the time, though. And I'm not touching the whole 'secret society' angle -- it's not that big a mystical leap to say "the past was different from now." --Jaylemurph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted July 5, 2007 #8 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Several thousand years ago (at the close of the last Ice Age), most of North Africa was a more verdant place. I --Jaylemurph Just amazing that he could identify Egypt at that point. Most of what is now the Aegean and eastern Mediterranean were dry land at the time... It is questionable, even if somebody had made a map (very doubtful), unless it said Ancient Egypt, had the sites of the future Pyramids marked or used the Greenwich coordinate system, it would be nearly impossible to identify what the map shows. Even the Nile had a different bed at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johan67 Posted July 5, 2007 Author #9 Share Posted July 5, 2007 No, Egypt wasn't always desert. Several thousand years ago (at the close of the last Ice Age), most of North Africa was a more verdant place. I don't think there's a shred of evidence to suggest there was an advanced, map-making civilisation at the time, though. And I'm not touching the whole 'secret society' angle -- it's not that big a mystical leap to say "the past was different from now." --Jaylemurph Im interested about the secret society hence it's said they had knowlegde on higher levels.. spirtitual 4th dimension = eternety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evancj Posted July 5, 2007 #10 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Do a Google search on pre-sand Egypt and you’ll get all kinds of stuff. Apparently it has something to with the Sphinx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear's Quest Posted July 5, 2007 #11 Share Posted July 5, 2007 I heard about it. Satellites scans over Egypt show us that the Nile ran out the west coast of Africa and the land was fetile at the time. My guess is a 'Pole Shift' and what secret society? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johan67 Posted July 5, 2007 Author #12 Share Posted July 5, 2007 I heard about it. Satellites scans over Egypt show us that the Nile ran out the west coast of Africa and the land was fetile at the time. My guess is a 'Pole Shift' and what secret society? sorry i mixed them (secret society) but quoting from Swedish website about gurdjieff his knowlegde about 4level is from early Egypt, from before enviroment changes that made sand take over the land of Egypt. However from his Biography movie.. he reads from a ancient Armenian Book about a old school called "sarmoun" being the most ancient of them dating from early as 2500b.c from babylonia. called "Sarmoun Brotherhood" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johan67 Posted July 5, 2007 Author #13 Share Posted July 5, 2007 sorry i mixed them (secret society) but quoting from Swedish website about gurdjieff his knowlegde about 4level is from early Egypt, from before enviroment changes that made sand take over the land of Egypt. However from his Biography movie.. he reads from a ancient Armenian Book about a old school called "sarmoun" being the most ancient of them dating from early as 2500b.c from babylonia. called "Sarmoun Brotherhood" This is a simulated map of Pre-Sand egypt, but there must be something else Gurdjieff saw, he went many sleepless nights wondering about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted July 5, 2007 #14 Share Posted July 5, 2007 You know, Gurdjieff was never above stepping on people's corns. Maybe you're just thinking too much about this and not his actual message. --Jaylemurph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johan67 Posted July 5, 2007 Author #15 Share Posted July 5, 2007 You know, Gurdjieff was never above stepping on people's corns. Maybe you're just thinking too much about this and not his actual message. --Jaylemurph maybe you're right ... thanks anyway for replys.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siara Posted July 5, 2007 #16 Share Posted July 5, 2007 My understanding is that the area around Lake Chad has bounced back and forth between desert and forest several times since humans began recording their experiences in petroglyphs. Maybe the map showed a specific area on the edge of the desert (?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STIX Posted July 5, 2007 #17 Share Posted July 5, 2007 "The more a man understands what he is doing, the greater will be the results of his efforts." ...a man must satisfy himself of the truth of what he is told. And until he is satisfied he must do nothing." - G. I. Gurdjieff I thought that was pretty cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted July 5, 2007 #18 Share Posted July 5, 2007 This is a simulated map of Pre-Sand egypt, but there must be something else Gurdjieff saw, he went many sleepless nights wondering about it. Probably not... even in Roman times the estuary of Alexandria was way farther north. That is a map that shows a green Egypt as it is now. Sorry, but no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted July 8, 2007 #19 Share Posted July 8, 2007 My guess is a 'Pole Shift' My guess is deforestation and over-farming. That is usually the rule of thumb with monument and large city building civilizations..... Lapiche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isis-999 Posted July 8, 2007 #20 Share Posted July 8, 2007 No, Egypt wasn't always desert. Several thousand years ago (at the close of the last Ice Age), most of North Africa was a more verdant place. I don't think there's a shred of evidence to suggest there was an advanced, map-making civilisation at the time, though. And I'm not touching the whole 'secret society' angle -- it's not that big a mystical leap to say "the past was different from now." --Jaylemurph jaylemurph is correct Egypt was not always coverd by sand, but how far back are you talking about the only angle i can see for a secret society would be atlantis and i really hope thats not what your talking about here..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johan67 Posted July 10, 2007 Author #21 Share Posted July 10, 2007 jaylemurph is correct Egypt was not always coverd by sand, but how far back are you talking about the only angle i can see for a secret society would be atlantis and i really hope thats not what your talking about here..? yes i am inclined to that thought... I thinking what if Gurdjieff saw map of atlantis.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucid Mark Posted July 15, 2007 #22 Share Posted July 15, 2007 yes i am inclined to that thought... I thinking what if Gurdjieff saw map of atlantis.. If Gurdjieff saw a map of Atlantis, the map would most likely be Britain or Antarctica. Since such a place is said to be surrounded by water. Those I believe would be the two most likely places. However on the subject of a forestry Egypt I think that to be quite interesting but the map shows Arabia as being a desert. If Egypt was a green leaf area then wouldn't Saudi Arabia be too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalsea Posted October 23, 2007 #23 Share Posted October 23, 2007 The simplest way to understand the significance of Gurdjieff and the pre-sand map of Egypt is that it must have convinced him of the much more ancient age of some of the structures. It is believed that one structure he saw on the map was the Sphinx. Gurdjieff thought that the Sphinx was created by remnants of Atlantis which date he gave to its fall as between 8,000 and 10,000 years ago. Recently as we know the age of the Sphinx has indeed been pushed back to a time when there was a lot more precipitation ie. pre-sand Egypt. Gurdjieff definitely believed in the fall of an Atlantis...in Witness, by J.G. Bennett writes... He went on to the caves at Lascaux. The long drive tired him very much, and his legs were beginning to swell ominously. But he insisted on going down into the caves. As he stood looking at the paintings, he seemed completely to belong there. He explained various symbols, and especially the strange composite animal, which he said was, like the Sphinx, the "emblem" of an esoteric society. I said: "Symbol?" He rejected the correction. "No. Emblem. At that time there were societies with special knowledge, and each society had an emblem by which the members recognized each other. Same way as we have." He said that the deer were the totems of individual people. By the number of points on the antlers you could know the degree of attainment of the man they represented. He bought pictures for everyone. A special album was given to Iovanna Lloyd Wright with injunctions to give it to her father and "tell him that such place exist." but if you go to, http://www.gurdjieff-legacy.org/40articles/lascaux.htm you will see what Bennett left out of the story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuchama Posted November 2, 2007 #24 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Im so curious about this.. I recently saw a movie about Georges Ivanovich Gurdjieff "Meetings With Remarkable Men" / "The Origin of Esoteric Knowledge" what was that Gurdjieff really saw in the Pre-sand Egypt?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._I._Gurdjieff - (for those who don't know about him) Hello, A possible hint for you -- look up "nabta playa". -cuchama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted November 2, 2007 #25 Share Posted November 2, 2007 The simplest way to understand the significance of Gurdjieff and the pre-sand map of Egypt is that it must have convinced him of the much more ancient age of some of the structures. It is believed that one structure he saw on the map was the Sphinx. Gurdjieff thought that the Sphinx was created by remnants of Atlantis which date he gave to its fall as between 8,000 and 10,000 years ago. Recently as we know the age of the Sphinx has indeed been pushed back to a time when there was a lot more precipitation ie. pre-sand Egypt. Hi there....welcome to the forum... Having got a bit involved in the 'Sphinx' thread....I had started to wonder....how deep is the sand around the Sphinx and Pyramids...what would it all look like without the sand? How much more is there under there that we can't see...and hasn't been visible for thousands of years? Just dotting around the internet for any info....I came across a site that was interesting.... sahara The picture of 1994 radar images of an ancient river channel under the sahara is good. If only we could see the pre-sand map that Gurjieff saw, eh? Hello, A possible hint for you -- look up "nabta playa". -cuchama And welcome to you too.... Thanks for throwing 'nabta playa' into the mix....I've never heard of it before...facinating! Just to be helpful...here's a site about it for anyone who's interested..... nabtaplaya ...................................................................... And now for a lttle bit of SPECULATION.....as I was looking at the sites about the sahara desert...a thought struck me.... If there was such a place as 'Atlantis' or something very similar...what if it's location was/is North Africa? What if the pyramids/Sphinx was part of 'Atlantis'? 'Atlantis'.....flood......water recedes.....sand.....desert......North Africa.....'Atlantis' is back!.....but buried....? Anyone else ever thought this......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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