UM-Bot Posted November 12, 2007 #1 Share Posted November 12, 2007 The international community faces a stark choice: outlaw human cloning or prepare for the creation of cloned humans, U.N. researchers said Saturday. Previous attempts to reach a binding worldwide treaty foundered over divisions on whether to outlaw all cloning or permit cloning of cells for research. View: Full Article | Source: PhysOrg.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Legionis Posted November 12, 2007 #2 Share Posted November 12, 2007 of course. there are advantages and disadvantages in cloning humans.. but I vote for banning the process altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neognosis Posted November 12, 2007 #3 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I'm not sure I want it banned. I mean, it's not like they are going to clone an entire person tomorrow. I imagine it will happen in steps. The only reason I'm considering supporting a ban is that I would hate for clone to turn out defective and have all sorts of problems and also have the emotions and intellect of a non-cloned human being. That would be horrible. I wonder if I'll see things like legislation for equal rights for clones in my lifetime... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Legionis Posted November 12, 2007 #4 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I'm not sure I want it banned. I mean, it's not like they are going to clone an entire person tomorrow. I imagine it will happen in steps. The only reason I'm considering supporting a ban is that I would hate for clone to turn out defective and have all sorts of problems and also have the emotions and intellect of a non-cloned human being. That would be horrible. I wonder if I'll see things like legislation for equal rights for clones in my lifetime... I think cloned humans are more trouble than their worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neognosis Posted November 12, 2007 #5 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I think cloned humans are more trouble than their worth. Well, I feel the same way about babies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primeval Posted November 12, 2007 #6 Share Posted November 12, 2007 The only reason people would want it banned is insecurity. People fear what they do not understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Posted November 12, 2007 #7 Share Posted November 12, 2007 (edited) If you're going to begin banning cloning, why not IVF? I would only ever support a ban if there were particularly high defect rates; if the process was perfected that wouldn't be the case. I think cloned humans are more trouble than their worth. Why? They would be normal people, the only "difference" would be them having the same genetic makeup as the parent. It's not as if one person steps in to a machine and fifty clones march out like in a sci-fi movie. Edited November 12, 2007 by Raptor X7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celumnaz Posted November 12, 2007 #8 Share Posted November 12, 2007 even if it's "banned" it's gonna happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTKiller Posted November 12, 2007 #9 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I think it is just wrong to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Posted November 12, 2007 #10 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I think it is just wrong to do this. Why? The only difference is that 100% of your genes are inherited from one parent rather than 50% from two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTKiller Posted November 12, 2007 #11 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I guess I feel this way because of religion, sci-fi, and a general mistrust in the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyWeather Posted November 12, 2007 #12 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Well... Stem cell research IS cloning... I don't get how they want to ban cloning, yet want to allow stem cell research to continue. --- But anyway, not like it can stop people heading out to sea to clone a person, actual and whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyWeather Posted November 12, 2007 #13 Share Posted November 12, 2007 (edited) I guess I feel this way because of religion, sci-fi, and a general mistrust in the government. Sci-fi - cloning a person is not creating an adult. You're creating yourself from the ground up - IE your genes are planted into an ovum then transplanted into the womb. Instead of having a male and female creating a fetus, it's just a male OR female creating a fetus. Cloning is basically an advanced form of concieving after sex, just without the sex part. Government? Which one? Edited November 12, 2007 by Chokmah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Legionis Posted November 12, 2007 #14 Share Posted November 12, 2007 well.. maybe people ( like me ) are just insecure of having another me.. eventually cloning would be legal and common. maybe it's a way to live forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primeval Posted November 12, 2007 #15 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I guess I feel this way because of religion, sci-fi, and a general mistrust in the government. Those are all valid reasons to be cautious of it. Doesn't mean it should be banned. I would be more worried about nuclear power plants that are on rivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Posted November 12, 2007 #16 Share Posted November 12, 2007 (edited) well.. maybe people ( like me ) are just insecure of having another me.. eventually cloning would be legal and common. maybe it's a way to live forever. The clone still wouldn't be you. They would be physically identical but that's it. No different than having a twin, except there would probably be a very large age gap. Edited November 12, 2007 by Raptor X7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neognosis Posted November 12, 2007 #17 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I guess I feel this way because of religion, sci-fi, and a general mistrust in the government. Even if banned, I believe that the government will continue to experiment secretely anyway...we can't have China (or Russia, or Iran, or whoever is our enemy next decade) making an army of super clones without us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Legionis Posted November 12, 2007 #18 Share Posted November 12, 2007 The clone still wouldn't be you. They would be physically identical but that's it. No different than having a twin, except there would probably be a very large age gap. yeah. and if Brain transplant would be achieved in the near future you could transplant your brain to the clone and that way you could endure life all over again. but with advantage. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neognosis Posted November 12, 2007 #19 Share Posted November 12, 2007 yeah. and if Brain transplant would be achieved in the near future you could transplant your brain to the clone and that way you could endure life all over again. but with advantage. ^^ More likely a non-intelligent clone, or parts of a clone, would be grown and transplanted little by little.. a lung in 2050, a heart in 2055, a liver in 2060, another heart in 2100, eyes in 2110, etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyWeather Posted November 12, 2007 #20 Share Posted November 12, 2007 More likely a non-intelligent clone, or parts of a clone, would be grown and transplanted little by little.. Kinda reminds me of a Dr.Who episode... Where clones of people were locked up in small rooms. So that organs could be removed from them for the clone-parent to use if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celumnaz Posted November 12, 2007 #21 Share Posted November 12, 2007 (edited) I don't think the movie "The 6th Day" is too far off a real possibility. Edit: Oh yeah, and that movie where people have clones of themselves for body parts. "The Island" meh we're all acclimated to what's possibly to come already Edited November 12, 2007 by Celumnaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravinar Posted November 12, 2007 #22 Share Posted November 12, 2007 i think they should ban cloning a whole person but allow cloning of body parts. if a whole person was cloned they should get full human rights because thats what they are human! but if they found a way to just clone body parts then that would be a huge leap in medicine! there would be no more need for organ donors and the chances of the body rejecting the new organ would be very remote. so like all great breakthroughs in science theres the good part and then theres the bad part. take them both or don't take them at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brothers Posted November 13, 2007 #23 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I suppose they just might want to clone genius like in sciences or all kinds and composers of music. Then again I wonder if they would have the same abilities. Stem cell research I can go for so that it just might help cure diseases but not for overall cloneing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cradle of Fish Posted November 13, 2007 #24 Share Posted November 13, 2007 If they manage to clone a full human being, will it disprove the soul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravinar Posted November 13, 2007 #25 Share Posted November 13, 2007 If they manage to clone a full human being, will it disprove the soul? huh? where did that come from? and no it wouldn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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