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New theory predicts universe existed forever

By T.K. Randall
February 11, 2015 · Comment icon 120 comments

The standard model of the universe based on the Big Bang. Image Credit: NASA
Scientists have put forward a new theory suggesting that the universe may have never had a beginning.
The current most widely accepted model of the universe's birth suggests that it came in to being some 13.8 billion years ago when everything in existence, which at that time occupied a single point of infinite density, began to expand at an exponential rate in an event that is commonly referred to as the Big Bang.

Now however scientists have put forward a radical new model in which they predict that the universe has no beginning or end at all and has instead existed for all of eternity.
The highly complex and confusing theory combines elements of both quantum mechanics and General Relativity to account for the universe's existence and even takes in to account dark matter and dark energy, two cosmological mysteries that current theories are unable to account for.

The new model also does away with the idea of singularities altogether, meaning that just as it eliminates the concept of the universe coming in to being from a single point, so too does it suggest that the universe could never collapse back down in a "big crunch" event either.

"The Big Bang singularity is the most serious problem of general relativity because the laws of physics appear to break down there," said study co-author Ahmed Farag Ali.

Source: Phys.org | Comments (120)




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Comment icon #111 Posted by Ellapennella 10 years ago
Tiggs I was reading over the comment you made last night to Leonardo this one : 'If the Universe did not start as a singularity, then, at an absolute minimum, the space to contain the non-singularity must have already existed.Thus, the expansion of the Universe being the creator of space is called heavily into question, due to the necessary pre-existence of space, prior.' I wanted to ask something in reference to it but I was unsure of how silly it may have sounded but it's an honest thought . Everything even stars are born -everything is born into the universe . So why isn't the universe born... [More]
Comment icon #112 Posted by sepulchrave 10 years ago
If the Universe did not start as a singularity, then, at an absolute minimum, the space to contain the non-singularity must have already existed. Thus, the expansion of the Universe being the creator of space is called heavily into question, due to the necessary pre-existence of space, prior. I am not sure what you are saying here (and I think Leonardo is correct)... aren't you assuming that space cannot be an internal degree of freedom for the Universe? If I have one ball, that suddenly splits into multiple smaller balls, I can then calculate the entropy of the system. But I can't calculate t... [More]
Comment icon #113 Posted by Tiggs 10 years ago
The expansion of the universe necessarily creates space - I would have thought that was obvious. No. It's entirely non-obvious. It's as non-obvious as a nuclear explosion creating space. That does not preclude the event which initiates that expansion happening in a pre-existing 'space' but, for the purpose of the point under debate that is irrelevant. And there was I thinking that's exactly what we're debating. If it is indeed 'universes' we are discussing, then the expansion of one universe - even if it apparently happens inside another universe's spacetime - creates a completely separate 'sp... [More]
Comment icon #114 Posted by Tiggs 10 years ago
Tiggs I was reading over the comment you made last night to Leonardo this one : 'If the Universe did not start as a singularity, then, at an absolute minimum, the space to contain the non-singularity must have already existed.Thus, the expansion of the Universe being the creator of space is called heavily into question, due to the necessary pre-existence of space, prior.' I wanted to ask something in reference to it but I was unsure of how silly it may have sounded but it's an honest thought . Everything even stars are born -everything is born into the universe . So why isn't the universe born... [More]
Comment icon #115 Posted by Tiggs 10 years ago
I am not sure what you are saying here (and I think Leonardo is correct)... aren't you assuming that space cannot be an internal degree of freedom for the Universe? What I'm assuming is that if space existed prior to the Big Bang, then it also existed after, and that both the internal and external space can be charted using the same coordinate system. If I have one ball, that suddenly splits into multiple smaller balls, I can then calculate the entropy of the system. But I can't calculate the entropy of a single particle - that doesn't make any sense. The ``space'' (in the mathematical sense) ... [More]
Comment icon #116 Posted by Leonardo 10 years ago
We don't know very much about anything, is the short answer. Both Leo and I are talking about our observable Universe being born out of a supermassive ball of matter. Where I believe we fundamentally differ is that I believe that space time existed prior to that birth, whereas I believe Leo's position* is more along the lines that our observable Universe creates it's own space time, as an aspect of it's being. *May or may not actually be Leo's position. Please ask Leo directly for details. For the record, my personal position is that the BB is not a "universe creation event" but an expansion o... [More]
Comment icon #117 Posted by Tiggs 10 years ago
For the record, my personal position is that the BB is not a "universe creation event" but an expansion of local spacetime within a larger domain. I also do not necessarily subscribe to the "supermassive ball of matter" hypothesis mooted by some as the 'origin' of all matter in our observable universe. However, that does not mitigate that any expansion of a local spacetime within a larger domain necessarily "creates space". The original argument was put that this 'created space' was a universe and the expansion of this could conceivably have consequences for other potential universes born from... [More]
Comment icon #118 Posted by sepulchrave 10 years ago
What I'm assuming is that if space existed prior to the Big Bang, then it also existed after, and that both the internal and external space can be charted using the same coordinate system. How can there be both internal and external space using the same coordinate system? Is this the gist of your argument: ``The Universe'' refers to all of the mass and energy in existence. ``Space'' refers to an underlying metric, not necessarily contained within the Universe (as defined above). ``Internal space'' refers to distortions or expansions to this underlying metric that are caused by, or at least rel... [More]
Comment icon #119 Posted by Tiggs 10 years ago
How can there be both internal and external space using the same coordinate system? The same way that the blast radius of a nuclear explosion can be shown on Google maps, as well as everywhere that the explosion isn't. Is this the gist of your argument: ``The Universe'' refers to all of the mass and energy in existence. ``Space'' refers to an underlying metric, not necessarily contained within the Universe (as defined above). ``Internal space'' refers to distortions or expansions to this underlying metric that are caused by, or at least related to, the distribution of mass/energy in the Univer... [More]
Comment icon #120 Posted by Ellapennella 10 years ago
We don't know very much about anything, is the short answer. epic cute !


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